Hello and welcome to the discipline of freedom podcast. Creatives and entrepreneurs. Discipline of freedom as a space to explore. Discover. And expand your relationship to yourself. And everything else and love life and work. Hold your center through change as you become. Harmfully profitably. And playfully one month, one phase, one breath at a time. So today, um, I have. Fabulous. Jane Corbin. From Toyota with me. And Jane is presently in India. I think three weeks of. Karma, which is, oh, is it. Um, I will introduce Jane further, but this is a great conversation. It's great conversation about the power of yoga. And yoga teachings in our lives. As you probably all know, I'm a Kundalini yoga teacher so this singular thing that it's just changed my life. Um, I'd like astrology. it has so many great maps and we talk about chains astrology. As we work through this episode. Um, I worked with Jane last year on her brand strategy and we came up with this concept of fearless specie. And as we weave our way through the conversation, Maybe you. Find your own entry into that fearless beauty for yourself. So let's get started. We get started sort of straight away and just go right into us. So what can I say? I mean, welcome and enjoy this episode. I put how you can contact Jane and maybe even participate in her upcoming teacher training, which is a month in the most extraordinary, Location in Parkwood lake. Which is about five and a half hours south of Sydney. This gorgeous, gorgeous, um, it's true. And body of water, shall we call? And then the C um, you know, just across the road. So stunning, stunning place for, to wake up and do your yoga every morning. Um, and Jane has the most wonderful retreats and she has a beautiful space for her students. Um, and it is. These are tools for life, like for, to hold your nervous system. You know, so you can meet those challenges and cultivate a relationship with the unknown, which is what. The world that we're living in is a pretty uncertain place. Um, but once you know who you are, you know, you can do any fine. As I will often tell you. So here we go. Let's get into it.

Great. I, had a really good sleep last night and it's been sort of mixed bag the sleeping here. I'm towards the end of three weeks in this Pantokama. So, it's been great. Oh, we're going to have to talk about that. Okay. We can start now and just begin the conversation. So I can introduce you this is Jane Corbin. Welcome Jane. And Jane is a tantric Hatha yoga teacher. Who has been on the yoga path for quite a long time. She had a very successful and amazing yoga shala in Jindabai, which she has recently closed. And during her time in the mountains, she, worked in many different areas up there, started almost straight almost out of yoga school and built this Really, beautiful business. She's recently moved to the coast and is starting her teacher training that she had begun on the mountains in this gorgeous space that is now near Bermagui and Barragoot. She has an upcoming teacher training in May, which we will talk about later. And she's truly living the life of the Yogi. Jane has three boys that she raised pretty single handedly. That's a very long word, isn't it? And, now the grandmother of, I think, seven. Are we still at seven grandchildren who come and visit? Seven and one in a belly. Seven and counting. So eight by the end of the by October. Oh, wow. Fantastic. I remember when I met you, I think it was six. Jane is presently in India and week three of Panchakarma, which is amazing. So we're just going to open the conversation from there. Jane, is there anything that I've left out in that introduction that you would like to include? No, I think you've covered everything, Alice, as you always do. Oh, and we do have to say that, I have Jane's chart here. Hold on. I showed my chart to someone the other day at the dinner dining room table here. And he was looking at a few people's charts and he just looked at mine and said, no wonder you're here. Oh, would you always love that reaction? You gotta go like, okay, that's the opening line. Now let's go into it. So Jane's son is, Virgo. Her rising is Pisces, and they're, the opposites, on the axis. So there's this kind of wanting liberation, and then there's the son, which is in the seventh house, which, Virgo likes things to be organized and contained. And her moon is in the eighth house, which is in Libra, but we'll talk about all of those things as we go through the conversation. So the question that I always ask people, because I think it forms their view of life, is what was valued when you were growing up? Oh, good question. I came from a very stable childhood hard work and ethics and morals were very much valued. I had no traumas as a child. It wasn't until they grew up that the real life, real life started to happen, that everything wasn't beautiful and blissful. So I actually came into adulthood quite naive and presumed that everybody was like, my father was a wonderful man. I remember saying at my 50th saying it's all your fault dad that I'm single and had all these troubled relationships and he very curiously looked at me with a quizzical face and said, I don't, why? And I said, because I thought everyone was as beautiful as you. And I thought that's how the world was. I was very fortunate to have a beautiful childhood. And um, I think that gave me a solid base. And then when I grew up, I had to sort of figure out. The, the challenges of life really. So do you feel that you were very protected, by your parents, by your father? Yes. Yes. And hard work and, good, morals and ethics were very much instilled in me. Yeah. So your fourth house, which is the house of lineage, is where your Mars is. And, you know, if our sun is our vitality, well then our Mars is how we exert our will, you know, Mars is pure desire. Everyone thinks of it as a malefic, but I have a very Mars driven chart. So I don't see Mars as a malefic. I see Mars as, you know, allowing you to get what you want. But the downside of Mars is that if you're not discerning about what you want, you can just go after it and get it. And then of course go like, I never wanted this in the first place. So that's the lesson I think that we're really being taught by Mars is how do we direct our energy. And in the fourth house, Some people think of the fourth house as being, about the mother because it's about nurturing and care and that protection and, that taking care of, but really the fourth house is about the father who provides the stability and who provides this is in traditional speak, of course, which of course you later went on to provide that for your boys. Um, yes. Yeah. And I would say, was blessed with a beautiful father and beautiful mother and stable childhood as well. And I would say that in a way the challenges, and I've had some in relationships myself, comes from when you've got a great father like that is that your standards are high. Yes, I have been told that with men that my stance, I'm a hard marker. Why not? Why not? Well, it's also, I will suggest it comes from having Virgo in the seventh house. And when you've got Virgo in the seventh house, Virgo is where we can be. overly perfectionist and we can be, you know, we're organized and we like form and we like shape and we like things to work, so might be that, so it can be overly critical basically, which is hard to be overly critical in relationships, but let's, let's, we'll get soon. But right now, let's talk about your journey into Yoga, because I mean, you started on your yoga journey 20 years ago. Oh, no, actually, probably longer than that. I had a hiatus where I wasn't involved in yoga when I was bringing up the children. I was very much in that sort of Arthur stage of work and resource building, even though I wasn't really aware of these stages at that time. I did find myself in India for my 20th birthday. birthday. I was traveling overseas for a long time for a couple of years with my, ex husband who was then just, you know, my 19 year old boyfriend at the time. Uh, and I met a girl and we went, I was ashram. So that was probably my first experience ending up in an ashram in India around, yeah, I said I was 19 actually at that time. And I wasn't too curious about it or anything, but then years later when I started university, I didn't know what I was going to do. University was free in those days, so we just went off to university and there, that was very much in my childhood upbringing as well. That was pretty mandatory. That's what you did. And I do remember that I studied all the Indian goddesses for some obscure reason. And that sort of came back to me 40 years later when I was doing a teacher training when it was actually my daughter in law Holly that said to me, Oh, you're quite new to all this. And I went back and went, actually, it's always been there. I just life got in the way and bringing up three children had to. You know, we put that, put the household at the forefront for many, many years. So it wasn't until the kids grew up and left home that I realized that I could actually devote myself to yoga. And I did my first teacher training at 53, same, I started, taught my first yoga class the same week I became a grandmother actually. So it was a long time. There was, you know, spots of yoga in between bringing up the kids, you know, going to the ashram in Manly. There's such an under ashram in Manly, but you know, that was the 80s and 90s. And it wasn't really only when yoga was really saying to become prevalent in the West and, and, um, Uh, culture and coming into my, you know, finding the odd yoga studio on the streets of, uh, Sydney on Northern beaches. And so, yeah, then I realized I could throw myself into it. I had the assets. I had the, the household stuff was out of the way. So I went, okay, this is, this is what I'm going to devote my next years to, the yoga journey. And so I didn't traveled the world for about 10 years doing multiple trainings, exploring multiple places, multiple styles. And so I sort of found my niche in the Tantrikatha world. It's an interesting one because you mentioned, you know, Arthur and I work very much, and I do believe in that sequence of, you know, which is Dharma to Artha to Karma to Moksha, which is basically purpose, which is the mission and what we incarnate to do. Then there is, the Arthur, which is the building, the resources. So to facilitate that mission, whatever that mission is, and then there's pleasure, which, you know, is enjoyment. Cause we're supposed to like our lives, um, and like ourselves in them. And then there's the liberation. And so in astrology and Vedic astrology, you know, the first, the fifth and the ninth houses concerned with. You know, who you are and who you're being in the world and how you bring your creativity for, to bring that mission into, into being and ninth house is very much about exploration. And then the second house is how you earn your income, but it's also what your values are, your self esteem and your self worth. And. So it's the second, the sixth daily life and the 10th house is how you shine, what you want to be known for and what your reputation is. Um, and then there's the, the third, the seventh and the 11th are to do with pleasure and enjoyment, which are very much around community, connections and relationships. And then the. Fourth, which is about lineage, where we've come from and owning our lineage to bring us to what we're going to do next. So, and the eighth house, which is of course, you know, secrets, inheritance, investments, and anything that's taboo, transformation, death, taxes, all of that is in the eighth house. And then the 12th house is self undoing, you know, it's very often, you know, if the eighth house of the secrets that We keep from others, the 12 houses, the secrets that the world can see about us, but we can't see about ourselves. And so it can be your addictions. It's, you know, mental institutions, all of that, but it's also about the dream and realizing the dream. You know, it's very much the house of spirituality. Um, and it's, there's, there's varying conversations around the significance of the sequence of these. And I do believe, you know, In, in the world that we're in now, there's this whole thing about purpose. You know, what's my purpose, what's my purpose. And particularly among millennials. And I always say to them, well, you know, it's, it's a noble purpose to put food on the table. It's a noble purpose to feed your children. And it's a noble purpose to, just get out there and discover who you are while you're making rent. And essentially what it is, what you realize if you go in the sequence of it is, is that, you know, if you've got a big mission, you need a lot of resources. So you need a lot of cash and you need a lot of money. If you've got a smaller mission, then you need less, but what you really learn when you get to the point of pleasure and liberation is, is that it doesn't matter if you're driving a Maserati or a pickup, it's actually the journey, what you're doing, no matter what you're doing is learning about yourself. And it's your journey and incarnation and making your contribution as you go through life. And then the liberation is, is realizing that, Oh wow, it doesn't matter if I live in a castle or in a cave or in a cabin and not being attached to it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I, I think that after, I think I was working towards my purpose without realizing it for a long time. You know, I was building the resources and that did take a long time. So, you know, you need to be patient and I don't think I really realized. What my purpose was or thought too much about it. Because when you are a single mother, you very much day to day existence of what do I need to do today? But, totally, I couldn't have done what I have, I have achieved now without those years of, you know, doing the mainstream work. I've always worked for myself. I've never had a job with, you know, worked behind a bar for a few years when I was younger. But other than that, I've been self employed my whole life. So very much these Paroosha Arthurs come in a very evident in my life. Life. But Arthur was probably there at the beginning building that stability of resources and assets and, and the knowledge of how to, how to work, So very much. I look at these four aims, goals in life. So you look at what are called the noble pursuits to give to younger people who think, Oh, I can't do that because it's not my purpose. I think it's a great message that you're actually, I don't think I would have been able to articulate my purpose until I was in my fifties. Exactly the same for me. when in these teacher trainings, I have a lot of, I seem to attract a lot of the 20 to 30 year old age group. And I say to them, you must be patient. Everyone's really striving for that, to answer that question. And it's such a big question and I'm very much in my purpose now. But that wasn't evident to me for a long time. I was just building the resources to pull it in. And then it all came together and then it ties in beautifully. I'm working in a profession that, you know, my passion is yoga and I get to work in yoga and everything I learned, study and train, I use on myself and I share with others. So it's a beautiful way to. Run your life. And then that gives me that final one, the freedom of here I am in India, talking to you six weeks in India, you know, international yoga, festival, Pancakarma, trek. And it's amazing because you can see you've got areas in the second house, which is very much about pioneering and entrepreneurship and how you create your income, you know, and you're saying that you never, you know, worked for anybody else. Like you've got Mars in the fourth house, which is around, you know, that lineage. And we've really got to own where we've come from, you know, and, and you're using that Mars for, to kind of create those resources, to create that protective environment for your own children, which is, you know, what you did for a long, long time. and building those resources. I mean, it's, and it's so amazing. You know, I mean, the better the teacher you are is always going to be the more you've integrated all of your teachings in your own life. You know, if you're living the yoga of the yogi, you can still be a investment banker. You can still be, you know, a chef, you can be whatever you are, but it's like, if you've integrated these energies, then there's no better teacher to learn from. Totally. And I think that's also something, you know, the spiritual path does not mean that you have to live the life of a renunciate. You can have wealth, you know, it's obviously inner and outer wealth. But, you know, even when I started the yoga studio, I purchased the old CWA. All engine of mine wanted it had been on the market for a year. I hadn't paid it any attention. I thought, well, if yoga doesn't work, this is a great asset. You know, it's a commercial block of land in center of a town. Can't go wrong with that. And you know, that's going to come back in, big ways for me down the track. And I think that's a really interesting, you know, cause we're both business women. That's a really interesting thing to think about, like, cause a lot of people, you know, their dream is to open a yoga studio and their dream is to run a yoga studio. And, you know, there's very few yoga studios that I know that are self sustaining. And, and the best model of retail is the McDonald's model of retailers, which is you buy the building and then you operate whatever you do out of that building and whatever you're operating out of that building. Pays for your daily bills, but you know, you know, in this situation, what you've done is you've, you've got capital appreciation. And in the teachings that I do with people, I always want them to separate income from investments. Investments are being the benefactor to your future self, whereas your income is okay. Well, how are we working? day to day. And, you know, and if you can shave a little off and put it into savings, then eventually you will build assets for your future. And I really do believe that the world that we're going into, people have to be very responsible for their own creation of wealth. Yes, very much so. And then, and once you do have that ownership as well, you have that moksha, that freedom to be able to, you know, pull a wall out, put a wall in, do whatever you want. You're not tied to anyone else to develop the business model or anything like that. It's a lot more freedom and having ownership. And so, so Jane, just to go back a little in your twenties, you were married and you had You're three boys and you had your boys, I think, relatively young, and then you found yourself in the situation where you needed to separate. And so, you know, and reestablish yourself in another location. I mean, that would have been an extraordinarily challenging situation to find yourself in what tools and what, skills, and lessons did you learn from that? Oh, it was an extremely challenging situation. Um, it was getting to the point of having to get police and lawyers involved and things like that. And I thought, I don't want to do that to my three sons. You know, that's going to be really a messy situation. Then I realized I actually need to remove myself from the physical area where I was. to put space between us. And so yeah, moving 300 kilometers away with a 15 year old, a 12 and nine year old, they were not happy campers. So it required a lot of conviction, a lot of strength to do so. But I knew I had to do it. So I just had to keep going with it. Yeah, it was really, it was actually probably the hardest thing I've done in my life, but obviously, you know, as I say, that builds that strength. And then it pushed me, it forced me into living a new way of life that I didn't realize it was even out there. You know, I presumed I would stay living in the comfortable Northern beaches of Sydney for the rest of my life. And then you actually realize there's a lot more places in the world as well that you can also go and set up again. So that, that gave me a lot of strength to do that. It was extremely hard and difficult, but you know, the strength builds that character and you realize you can do these things, you know, but yeah, it was very hard. My children were very pissed off with me, very angry with me about moving them away. My 15 year old son from the place where he'd gone to school for those years, moving him away from the surf where he surfed before and after school to a country town. Funnily enough, they all ended up with country girls. Country girls are far more real than the city ones, they found. So yeah, in the long term, it took them a long time to look back and say they got it. They didn't get it for a long time, my boys, probably not until their, you know, easily into their late twenties did they sort of say, okay, I got what you did, you know, and thank you. It was the right move. And so what age were you when you made that big move? I was 39. I had my 40th birthday in Jindabyne. Yeah. Just about that kind of Uranus return, which can come with sudden shocks, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I've very much had a few lives. It was my life in Sydney bringing up the kids and there was a country life in Jindabyne moving down there. I moved there, got into a relationship pretty much straight away. The mountain biking, you know, and then that was very much, this is my new life and I got infatuated with it and, and sort of my ego ran away with me for a little while that I'd been strong enough to make this move and then I'd found a new life and I naively went into something else and that ended up in court. So, uh, I, I've learned my lessons. I think I can be a little bit naive going. I'm not so much now, but in my early years, I'm very trustful of people and it's taken many, many, things that didn't work out to realize that not everyone is as they seem. Well, your north node is in, it's, you've got a lot going on in that seventh house and your north node is there. So relationship is the new experience that you're here for, the south node is in, is in your Pisces, and Pisces can be kind of, nebulous, it's ruled by Neptune and that's the ruler of your chart. You know, Jupiter is the. traditional ruler of it. Neptune is the modern ruler and Neptune is about imagination and creativity. And you know, and this is extraordinary how you have lived this creative life. You go, okay, well I can do it differently. A lot of people can't even imagine that they can move beyond their own village, town, suburb, whatever. You know, you've reinvented yourself in terms of skills, you've reinvented yourselves in terms of, identity several times. And I'd like to talk about that in terms of cycles. Cause this is something that I've learned as well, I mean, I'm an Aries sun, so I kind of run at things, and it's that learning, which Saturn the planet teaches us that there are cycles right intention, right action, right feeling, you know, and patience pays, which I think yoga is such a teacher of patience pays. Yes. Yes. I have had those cycles, definitely. I have always looked at things that I can do it differently. I don't know, that must be in the chart somewhere, because I haven't had to run with the pack. I've never had to run, you know, with that peer group pressure of we're all doing this, so that I'm very much, I can do this on my own, I can create this, and how else can I look how is everyone else doing it, how can I do it differently, is very much. What I've done, and I've been able to see, I, on those years of Arthur, I was a bookkeeper. I had a university degree, but I didn't use it in anything. I would look for something that was flexible where I could work for myself and where I chose bookkeeping because I went, well, maths balances, I can just work for someone, put an invoice in, the figures are correct and I'll get paid. And it's a simple task. So, I've always looked at ways that I can do things differently to other people because running with the mainstream, it's competitive. So if I can form a niche in some other way, I find that, it's probably a better option. And I seem to have had the, the, um, bravery to be able to do that. A lot of people don't have that ability to say, well, I'm going to step out of the box and do something different. To me, that's the freedom as well. And that's kind of the pleasure too, of how can I do it differently? How? So, yeah, I have definitely taken a lot of steps in life that people would go, I could never have done that. Right. So. And it's in the books that we learn that we can. Yeah, it's in the doing, the freedom is in the action. That's a nice quotable quote, that the freedom is in the action, because the confidence comes not in the thinking, the confidence comes in the action. You know, I always talk about that freedom. Faith is when you've no fucking idea, but trust is, oh wow, I moved to Jindabyne with my three boys and I made it work. Doesn't mean that it wasn't without its challenges. Oh, so that means I can now move to Tartar. Or I can move to Italy or I can move wherever I want. And I have built skills and know, without knowing, you know, the details that I can make it work. Yes. And, and that's very much so. And you don't always know the details. Yeah, you don't always know the details. That's for sure. You know, this next stage of moving from Jindabyan to Burmagui is, you know, I found a property that I just saw so much potential in. I couldn't afford that property. It was a big struggle get it. Purchase that property. And it's still ongoing that sorting out the finances on that one, but I have no doubt that that was the place I was meant to be in my bones. I can feel that, you know, and that's what yoga has given me that clarity and that conviction to trust. Now what? You know, as we peel away the layers as the yoga journey does, you start to really, that intuitive sense starts to become more obvious and more, you just know when things feel right. Probably years ago I was bumbling along going, I don't think this feels right, but now I have much more conviction and clarity and know even if I don't have the finances to do something now, I know that it's the right thing to do and it will work out. But I also have to make sure that I don't get. Lackadaisical about that. I have to have that conviction to really keep working behind the scenes and going, this isn't all just going to fall into place without me doing anything. You know, I was to buy that property. I resort to lots of mantra, lots of meditation, lots of these devotional practices. So I need to bring in everything I possibly can. I wasn't lazy about the purchase of that property. Well, How I put that is that the universe takes action as an indication that you're serious about this thought, that you're serious about this desire. And if you move towards the universe, it will move towards you. Energetically? Yeah. Yeah. Can you talk about developing intuition? There's a lot of conversation about intuition and I think that intuition is often really misunderstood. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, even here being in the Pantacarma, you can feel like intuition growing, it's very much about even on a physical level, living at more of an Ayurvedic lifestyle about clearing away the density of the layers even physically within you, you know, biologically within you, like clearing out your gut, clearing out your systems, because if your body is dense, it's very hard to heal those inner layers. First of all, can you explain what the karma is for people who have no idea? Yes. Yes. A Panta Karma is, uh, an avac, Ayurvedic based cleanse where basically you have your body oiled every day. It's very much about putting. The oil and the fluids back into the body, basically we're continually drying out and as we age, you know, I'm now in my mid sixties, so I'm in the baddest stage of life, that last stage of life where the body starts to dry up and become more fragile. So it's very much about. providing some inner nourishment. So you have Abiyanga treatments every day, long treatments where you're oiled, I've got four hands on me for an hour, rubbing oil over deep oil, medicated oils with herbs into you. Then you have another process of Quachapatali, where you have bags of hot steamed, leaves wrapped up in calico, and you're basically pounded, your body is pounded. Start with a pulse check every day, what they can read from the pulse is phenomenal, it blows my mind how much these guys can read from your pulse. And then there's another treatment that's a milk rice treatment where your body, your skin is nourished. So it's just very much about absorbing nutrients back into the deeper tissues of the body and there's seven different layers of tissues in the body. And so it takes a few weeks to really start moving through that density through all the, the lymph, the muscle, the blood. The nervous system to get really deep down into the very deepest layers, the reproductive tissues, which is your oges. And so it's about removing the toxins and building your inner immunity and health. I'd highly recommend people did it on an annual or biannual basis. So there it's about getting really clear because if things aren't flowing in our body. If our body, our systems aren't, it's like a river, you know, the rivers, you have a mountain stream and then, you know, a branch starts to cross the, block off the river and then the debris starts to build up. You know, the river's not flowing anymore, the debris, the toxins build up. It's the same in our bodies. If we don't clear all the systems in our body, we don't get all these rivers of these multitude of, systems running through us. We're building up toxins, the stagnation builds up and then intuition, we can't be intuitive it's deep, deep inner listening. And I think the yoga journey is very much what gives you that deep listening and meditation is sitting in that, those periods of stillness and quietness. So you can really go deeper inwards and hear what is in normal everyday life is, you know, there's dust and grime in our lives that covers up that deep listening. And to me intuition is very much that you have to have a clear body so that you can truly feel and find that trust and grace. In Kundalini they say that prayer is when you ask God for something and meditation is when he answers. And I think this is the difference between hearing, you know, and listening, isn't it? You know, listening emerges. You know, and that's from within. Yeah. And it is the, you know, being lighter, being lighter in your body, being lighter in your mind and you become a clear channel. Totally. I think you have to get clarity in your body to be able to get clarity in your mind. The body's tangible, the body's tactile. In your teacher training, do you follow. Yes, yes, my teacher trainings revolve around three pillars. Body, Mind and energy. So Ayurveda, Yoga and Tantra. So we start very much with the first week in Ayurveda. We break down the theory of it and understanding of it. Ayurveda is based on the five elements, the Mahapancha Bhutus. And, you know, Ayurveda says everything in the existence. It's easy based on the five elements. So we go through the theory and understanding of that and then we apply that to our lives in the form of the Dhinicharya, which is the daily habits, daily routines. So simple, practical, tangible, daily habits. routines, small routines. Once you start to incorporate them into your life, they build on each other. You know, it's that progressive sort of exponential growth that once you start to instill, scraping your tongue in the morning, clearing out the arm of the toxins from the day before, you know, this intuitively leads you into the next step. Like, Oh, I want to eat. I feel better. I want to eat better. Your body starts to talk to you with more clarity. So we very much spend the first week basing ourselves on the body. Then we go into the subtle energy systems, the vayus, the chakras, the koshas, all the different ways that energy moves through the body, all these beautiful maps that yoga has, very, very practical maps to give a simple understanding of the subtle energetic systems in the body. So we start to understand how energy moves through us and how we can manipulate and start to shape energy. And that's sort of directing your own life then, you know, if you can shape your own energy, it's a masterful tool to have. And then we look at the philosophy, the mind, you know, how to understand your mind, the yogic map of the mind, the Antara Karana, you know, very, very, these maps make so much sense being that Virgo and being that sort of bookkeeping mentality of wanting things to balance. I see these maps as a beautiful way to say something is really esoteric and magical and put it into really practical. ways of understanding, which is, you know, that should touch people that gives people a sense of ease to understand how yoga works. You know, I like to know how things work and balance. So the tantric hatha method has given me those systems and tools to do so. So yeah, then we break down the mind and understand the mind and meditation and we go through all the pranayamas. And so, you know, we really learn how to match what asana. With what pranayama, what kriya, what meditation do you get that holistic com picture of bringing, you know, we're mind, body and spirit. So how do we harmonize all three and bring them all into the whole? And then that's that deeper intuitive knowing and understanding comes through. So, or use the metaphor, I should say, of this, the landscape is the masculine. So, so, so tantra is essentially about weaving masculine and feminine energies and, and it's the kundalini of rising that energy through the body. So you're integrating the masculine and feminine energy. So there is this balance between the doing and being, and I give the metaphor of the masculine is the landscape. And the feminine is the weather and the weather shapes the landscape. So the feminine is constantly changing. It's dynamic. It's always moving. And it's about understanding that they're in this constant dance. And I think the biggest problem, I see in our Society is, that people think that they're walking around with this head through the world and forgetting that there's actually this entire body, which is an integrated system. It's not a separate system. And the biggest challenge is, is the instability of people's nervous systems. They become dysregulated so fast and they think it's actually their mind. And of course, because you're thinking makes it so, but this is the gift of yoga is, is it's not what happens to you. It's how quickly you can regain your center and be able to look at it from. From a neutral perspective, as opposed to always being in reaction. So you can actually choose how to respond to your life and you can choose how to, create your life. You know, you understand yourself to create yourself, which is a beautiful gift. 100%. Yeah, yeah, totally. 100%. My metaphor is the river, you know, the masculine is the edges of the river, the boundary, the container of the river and the feminine is the flow in between and that's still shaping the container, the feminine is still shaping the container, the flow of that river. Yeah, 100 percent the Tantra is weaving all of these tools in together and so I love about the Tantric models too. It's about let's use mantra, let's use visualization, let's use contemplations, let's use meditation, let's use physical postures, bring all of these tools in because, it was dealing with this esoteric unmanifest thing in yoga called energy. How can we use all the tools available to us to help us master that energy. Yeah. And people walk around thinking they are their minds, but they're not their mind. They're not their mind. They're not your mind. It's not your body, you know, and train them until they obey you. You know, that's the basis of yoga is, you know, the mind. makes a terrible master, but it can really work for you. And the mind is about strategy, you know, and, and it gets, it gets back to that intuition as well about, you know, intuitively, but having that awareness, you know, when your mind is spiraling in one direction and being able to control it and pull it back, but having that awareness of that moment of that reaction to go, hang on. That's not valid. That's not a validated reaction. And just to be able to pull it back and take a breath and get that intuitive sense of, okay, what is the correct course of reaction here? You know, doesn't need reaction. So when you come to applying that in your life, it's building deep self trust. It's what I call like knowing, trusting that you know what you know, that you don't have to be thinking, Oh, do I know this? You know, what book was that in or whatever. It's just that trusting the flow, trusting your own flow and trusting that you will make good decisions for yourself in the moment. Yeah. Can you talk about applying to your life? Because as I say, I do yoga so my life is better. Totally. Um, yeah, I think it's grace is a nice word to use there to have that, that grace to know that even if you don't know the details of how something will work out, to have that trust and grace to know that it is. Yoga gives me a lot of clarity. It gives me great pleasure. And so I think also if we're coming from something, even when things are challenging in life and things aren't going the way you thought they were supposed to go in life, you can have that trust that it's all in the process. It's all in the path. And it may not seem like the right situations are happening, what you want to happen right now, but you can have that depth of knowing that this is teaching you something for what is coming along next. You know, it's yoga. It's all part of that great tapestry and yes, you know, so what I always say is I wish, I wish that I had, you know, a devotional practice like earlier, you know, I mean, I started on my devotional practice in my early forties and, and like, and it's been a daily practice since then. And you know, and so it's like around, okay, you know, when you're in your twenties and thirties, you think, oh no, no, no, I don't have. 15 minutes or half an hour in the morning for to give to my spirit for to give to myself. Can you talk about like how the service of the devotion in the different cycles in your life? Yeah, I think we're so used to immediate gratification, aren't we now that people now want that gratification to be instant. It's not life doesn't happen like that. It is a journey and it's a pathway and you need to put the time in, you need to put those moments in. And you can start with five minutes a day and it builds because the actual practice will change you that your body and mind will start to desire that practice so you will find more time to spend in stillness and practice arson or whatever it is. Um, yeah, it's. I think we just have to be patient, and we have to realise that this is a long journey, it's not the short term, it's the long term picture, you know, that will get you there, you have to apply yourself to this devotional practice on a regular basis, you know, consistency works, practice, we know that in anything in life, practice builds proficiency. Um, so in astrology, there's, two Saturn, well, there's three Saturn returns, every 28 or 29 years. So the first one is kind of between 29 and 31. The next one is kind of between 20, 59 and 62. And then the later one is kind of just around the cusp of your nineties. Some people don't get to that one. And the first one is when you realize that, Oh my God, I'm an adult, you know, I can no longer blame my parents for who I am. I can no longer blame them for what's happened to me. And I actually have to take responsibility for my own life. And then of course we get these mini. Um, Saturn returns, you know, every seven years, you know, so it's a 28ish year cycle. In Kundalini Yoga, we talk about like that, there's our cycles of consciousness. And what, what it means is you come into more awareness of who you are. You come into more awareness of your, if we go back to the, to your purpose, to, you know, how you build your resources, you go and your impact. Essentially in the world. And our identity changes as we move through our lives. Can you talk a little about those identity shifts that you've experienced and how you've transitioned through those? Yes, I definitely have had a few identities. I've definitely had a few lives. I mean, people call me a businesswoman. I was very involved in the mountain biking industry in the mountains for a while. I just saw an opportunity actually. I saw it as a good business model to make some money and that had a long, um, time, then it actually paid off big time in the end. Um, and now I've shifted in this new identity, like I closed a successful yoga studio and in a beautiful space. And we were like, how can you do that? Well, it's time for change. It's time for the next step. It's time for the next evolution. And I see that I can do something different and I can take this into a bigger. I can, I can be more powerful by rather than just running individual classes and teaching people that sometimes you get three people turn up. Sometimes you get 20 people turn up. I felt there was the way I could impact people on a bigger scale and also in the same time, provide more freedom and less sort of physical boundaries to my own life. So I've done it very much in my sixties shifted into, uh, I'm changing my business model. I've changed my business model a few times, and now I'm doing that again. Um, in which yoga, I've changed it from being a physical, tied to a physical location where it's more sort of one on one looking at ways I can reach more people in a more powerful way and, and with more personal freedom as well. And so the constant I'm hearing through these threads is this, this confidence to back yourself and also having that vision to be the benefactor of your future self. Yes. Yes. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. The river changes, you know, the river will change course and we have to be intuitive about those changes. And if we're not listening, we'll miss it. We'll miss the turn, you know, miss the opportunities, you know, I said it recently to a builder that was working on the place and said, I feel very blessed. And he said, no, no, you know, you've looked at opportunities. You've seized the opportunities when you've had the. Clarity to seize opportunities and you've taken them, you know, so your eyes are open and you're constantly looking for what's out there. What else can, what possibilities are out there? How can I change things? I'm not about being stagnant in the way I look at things and this way has worked in the past. It will work forever. I believe that you have to keep changing things up. Change is good. That's fantastic. Um, and so what's next? Do you want to talk a little about, what's next and try this upcoming? Month long retreat, which is a gift that people go to give themselves, which is a gift. I mean, you know, it is an extraordinary gift to give yourself to go for a month of yoga and, and it's, and it is being a benefactor of your future self. If you're giving yourself tools and skills that are going to benefit you for the rest of your life. Yes, very, very practical tools. It seems, it gets talked a lot about in the yoga world, the gifts of yoga, but they really are, they're truly there. So next is this first teacher training at the new property in Bermagui. And it's an idyllic, stunning, magical nature based location, private location, uh, nestled on a lake with the sounds of the ocean across the road. So I'm developing this site as a retreat space and training space. I've got a couple of caravans on there. I've got a yurt space, so contained studio over there, but another room. So my vision for that property is to set up a training and retreat space and run two teacher trainings a year. I only take small groups of nine people. Nine is that magic number in the Vedic system. Uh. So it only takes small groups, so everyone is heard, everyone is listened to, you know. I've done teacher trainings where you don't hear a person speak, you don't even know what they sound like. So, very much everyone has an opportunity to be seen. And develop, run two teacher trainings a year, run a couple of retreats and things like that. And develop this space also as a place for other teachers to come and rent the space out. And, and, yeah. Find that, point in the market where it's not an expense, it's not too expensive, you know, I, I get a little bit frustrated by these yoga retreats that cost thousands of dollars to go away on a Friday afternoon and leave on a Sunday morning and it costs you thousands of dollars. I want people to be able to immerse themselves in nature and not for it to cost big dollars. And to really get the, the impact of that. So yeah, it's, it's just an incredible location. And like, I feel so fortunate to have discovered it. And it's funny that I was running a yoga retreat at another property down in that area. And the person that owns that property said to me, have you seen this property that just came on the market? And so, you know, if I hadn't run that retreat in that location, I wouldn't have found this one. Oh, that's amazing. Wow. So if anybody's ready for to go on a yogic journey, I couldn't think of a better teacher to recommend. And Tantra Katha is a beautiful practice, you know, I'm a Kundalini yoga teacher and we all know that Kundalini frightens most people and Tantra Katha doesn't frighten you at all. It's just so gentle and we can awaken the Kundalini. We just do it in a gentler way than you do. Well, I think it's a wonderful way to, to, um, I mean, I love it as a practice. I love it as a practice. All the practices are amazing, but some of them resonate more deeply with you than others. I love it. I was just at the International Yoga Festival. I just came from the International Yoga Festival in Rishikesh, like eight days. It was incredible. I didn't really have any expectations of when I got there, but it far exceeded anything I could have imagined. But there was a lot of Kundalini. There was, it was very heavily weighed in the Kundalini sphere, actually. That was definitely a majority of classes for Kundal. Yes, yes. Super. Well, yeah, that was a fantastic experience just to be able to sit into a dining hall with 1400 people from around the globe and sit next to people that you've never met before and have fascinating conversations. It was wonder, so 1400, 1400 people or 14,000? 1400 people. Yeah, on the banks to the Ganges. It was incredible. I want to go back next year. I will be going back next year. Definitely considering taking a gathering, a group to take, but then also go, Oh, I just go for myself. Oh, that's fantastic. And the effects of, in one sentence, or maybe two, the panchakarma after, you know, three weeks in. I want to go I haven't been on a panchakarma, but definitely that's on my plan for this, oh, plan for this year. Uh, clarity, conviction, power. You know, knowing that you're on the right path, it's, yeah, just resetting the body and mind. Yeah, just extra inner freedom, power, grace. Um, so it's something that I haven't covered. I really think you're absolutely breathing. Your power and you're breathing, your son into your chart. You know, you're absolutely living your astrology, which is so gorgeous to see. And, and we did some branding work last year and it's fearless beauty, you know, I think that's a, a beautiful mantra for to how to live your life. Yeah. What fascinates you about the astrology is that, yeah, looking at the astrology is one of, there's so many different tools and maps in the yogic system and in the Vedic system. Astrology obviously plays a big part, but I'm only more recently learning about the astrology side and to look back on my life and reflect on my life and see it, it was there in the astrology. It is very much so there in my, well, it's another map, isn't it? I speak about astrology and the level of amor fati, you know, which is, you know, love your faith. And most of where we come up against ourselves and our lives is when we fight with reality. You know, when we go, no, I want it to be like that, or we have an expectation of something being like that. And that is the journey of life, you know, is for to come into that space of where you can meet life, where it's meeting you and going with your, um, river metaphor. It means that, you know, you allow the branches to come in and you allow the branches to pass. And you can keep going with the flow and you understand when there's an obstruction, you know, that you have the power of these planets that you can call on for to work with it, your strengths and your weaknesses are in your birth chart. We're all going to meet challenges, but it's how we meet the challenges. That's where the grace is. That's where the beauty is and that's where the growth is, we learn so much more from encountering challenges and you can call them hardships or blocks than we do from the free flowing times, you know, cause we can become really lazy in the free flow flowing times. I'd always remember a guy who used to say that he was a crisis meditator and then he realized, you know, he had to. Bring it into his life on a daily basis. And he used to say, you know, or I always remember it was, or P what was it? Or PM. And it was like rise P meditate, you know, and tag it onto, which is atomic habits, you know, tag it onto something that you already do. My life was, has been changed by yoga and meditation. The liberation, the self trust, the glow, all of us, it allows you to become who you are. It allows you to become that map of your chart. Totally. And it gives you yoga. My life has been very much changed by yoga as well. And it's given me the confidence and the clarity and the power to do what I meant to do. And the awareness of when those hardships do come in. Okay. It's not the way I thought. Thought it would happen, but that's okay. You know, I'll just, how, how do I change course here? What do I need to do? And, you know, without being, uh, that instantaneous reactivity about, you know, sit with it for a little while, meditate on it, and then find that deeper intuitive sense of, okay, how do I change course here when it didn't go the way that I presume there's a lesson here, you know, there are all these cliches, but they all are true. But one of the things I think you bring to your teacher training that not many yoga teachers can is that deep business sense of being able to back yourself or to be that benefactor of your future self. And I really want to acknowledge you for that because you have, invested In yourself and invested for to create this freedom, you know, you have been devotional in your life and devotional to your practice of, of creating the life you want to live. And thank you for that. And that's, that's very much true. I think you, explained that really beautifully actually. Cause I do try to, you know, I kind of get a bit disturbed when I go on social media and I see this plethora of yoga trainings and everyone promoting themselves, which is cool. We have to do that. I get that. But I, I do struggle to some to say, well, I have a lot of differences to offer. I have a very, had a very different journey to the majority of the yoga trainings that are out there. And how do I plug that? So I think, um, you've just helped do that for me. And, it's also, you can't, you, you know, we, we all have teachers. But you, you learn from people who are disciplined, who are devoted and who have a level of mastery. And in this world that we work in, You cannot be experienced without having experience, you know, I cannot pull a pose and do things like, you know, somebody who's, A third of my age can do, but you and I both, we embody these practices in a way that somebody a third of our age can't because they haven't been through that rollercoaster that life was going to bring. There seems to be a plethora of 28 year old life coaches out there. And that's fantastic because they can teach people who are, who've gone through a few things in their twenties and remember that really acutely, you know, um, but yes, there is a point where I realize now at this point, let's, you know, let's finish on talking with relationship. Like that, even if, you know, getting into relationship at this point, it's still about the relationship with yourself. You know, which means that you can enter a relationship and you can actually be much more generous because you're not projecting onto the other person. I want you to be like me, you know, or I want you to be like this. You're going, Oh, okay. So you can be in a much more observational mode and less reactive, and, there's this. Thing about, transforming our relationship to money, transforming our relationship to our own bodies. You know, you go through a real big cycle of acceptance as you get older, and it's acceptance of your limitations, but then also an expansion into your possibilities. And I think to learn from wisdom I can see why you attract The 20 and 30 year olds, those are really smart people because they were realizing, wow, I'm getting a depth of knowledge and wisdom here that I cannot get from somebody who is my peer, somebody who's my own age, who it might be cooler to learn from, but, in a sense, if you are learning for somebody that age, what you're likely doing is, projecting, Oh, I want to be that. Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah. Is there anything else you need to say, and then we'll close. No, I think you've given me lots of fantastic insights into how I can market my business better. Oh, my pleasure. It's been a delight and thank you for the conversation. Thank you very much, Alice. I really appreciate it. I look forward to catching up with you in person. Oh, I'm going to put this out, today or tomorrow, so I'll let you know and you can share it with your people. You know, and I'll share it with everyone. Thank you so much. Bless you.

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