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today I'm here with the fabulous Anne Louise Holland. Thank you so much for that intro. Hello. And who is astrologer extraordinaire. I'm more commonly known as Venus and Vesta, uh, for my website and my Instagram tag, and, um, it's called Venus and Vesta because I didn't want to give it my name. And the reason I didn't want to give it my name is, as we've just been discussing before we come on air, is that I have a 12th house son, and anything that is in the 12th house is hidden. So often, And it is easy, if you're creating something of yourself, to not call it, you know, Anne Louise Holland. I've called it Venus Investor so I can hide behind it. And there you have it. There's, there's one of the principles of the 12th house sum. Yes. What's hidden from yourself. Yeah. And I hiding it from the public from, so I'm not having to put myself out there in an ascendancy kind of way, as in ascendant from the ascendant rising sign. And you made that decision probably a decade ago now, yeah, over a decade ago. Wow. Yeah, we've, we've probably known each other. We've known each other a long time now. Yeah. So, so I, and honestly, I just started the Venus Investor for my own musings and it's just grown and grown. So I had no idea where it would go, but that's the thing about karmic things and surrendering to the process. And just allowing things to happen with an intention of just showing you're an expression of yourself, and then seeing what happens. Sincerely believe that is actually the new model of business. I think this is to be intentional and then for to surrender, I teach this in, in the way that, you know, your business has its own spirit. It wants to do its own thing, it has its own incarnation to the zone entity. And this is even if it is with your own name. And if you take care of your business. Your business will take care of you. And what it allows you to have is some distance from your business, because I think so many entrepreneurs are solo preneurs or however we want to call them. They see themselves so closely tied with the business and if it succeeds wildly or if it feels badly, they see it as a reflection of themselves, but that's not true of a business. A business is kind of a project in a way, you know, it's just an extension of yourself. Yes. And there's another reason why I didn't call it Anne Louise Holland and called it something else I also felt that if ever I was working in a team or that there were other elements to what I was doing, it just wouldn't just be me. Although it has been just me and it is an expression of who I am continually. But the thing is it hasn't got a goal as a business. I have other businesses which are part of me too. So the thing about Venus Investor is not going to fail because There is no goal and I'm not even treating it like a business, whereas my other business, if it fails, I think I would feel slightly upset. Wow, this is not where I was expecting this conversation to go, which is fantastic. Um, so why does it not have a goal? You know, because any entity has an intention, and its intention is to accomplish something, its intention is to communicate in some way, and there is a contract in place between you and the business, and so, if you were to think in terms of Yeah, that's a good, I think that's enough of a question, is why doesn't it have a goal? Why doesn't it have a goal? So maybe you're making me think now, perhaps I should have a goal, because the idea was that I wanted it as an expression or an avenue to share my musings, my astrological musings, which I found that every time I went, to offer those up. They were really well received and I have, a good style and a good response with that. So that was the first stage. And then when I put the podcast out after a while, I was like, I have to monetize the podcast, but otherwise it's just it's costing me a lot of money or it's a, it's just a vanity project. So then it becomes a business. And so there's a transition to it becoming a business and not just my musings. Um, and so, I've got to make sure that it, it pays for itself at least. And so therefore there should be some more goals. And that's when I decided to put a school with it because also the idea is when I'm holding circles or events or I'm sort of half teaching, it's like, well, let's formalize this. So it has kind of slowly gathered pace to, you know, that's how it has evolved really. When I've thought, no, you can't just do this 'cause it makes you happy because you're spending a lot of money and enough time. So, so, so it kind of, so to, I have to monetize it and I, and I hate to say that because this is something I love doing, but I have to monetize it to the point where it does pay for itself. My hobby should pay for itself, so. Because another thing that I talk about when I talk about with businesses is, do you have a job? Do you have, you know, and a job, is that something that you're paid to do? And very often what people do is they buy themselves a job when they start working for themselves. Do you have a hobby, which, as you say, is a vanity project or it's a creative outlet. But you're not, there's no, um, impetus on it or there's no pressure on it for it to actually make money. Now a job, there's pressure on it for it to make you money, but if you don't show up, then you don't get paid. And then there's another one, which is that, is it a business? And a business is that you can, you know, go off to Greece for two or three weeks and it will still, do what it's supposed to do. It's still operating. There's a fourth one, which escapes me right this moment, and those are really good distinctions to make. Um, and so that's super interesting in terms of like that, you know, you have these clear frameworks and expectations from other aspects or other Endeavors that you're involved in. And yeah, this one, you're just allowing it to do whatever it wants to do, which is so interesting as well. From the point of view of, the direction you want to take it, it's like you know, I often compare, a young business, to a child, you've got to nurture it until it stands on its own two feet and any creative project, you have to nurture until it stands on its own two feet in the same way that. And that's where I'm at. I guess I've been, I'm nurturing it. I have been nurturing it. It's been an expression, an avenue of my creativity and my musings that I've said, and now it's got to stand on its own two feet. That's where I'm at. It's like, okay, that's got to work on as, as a, as a, as a business now, rather than just a. a hobby, um, because, you know, if it's just a hobby, you just keep it to yourself, but I am sharing it across the airwaves, kind of thing, and in various ways, so, it feels, it started off like a hobby, but now it's gone a stage further, so it's about to stand on its own two feet, yes, it has its own identity. Yeah, I have a long history of working in the corporate world in beauty marketing. And so I have another, I don't have another job, I have another business and that business, I have a business partner and We treat it much more like a business. It's not a hobby. It's a business, but actually I love it so much. It could be a hobby because it's selling, supplement hair supplements specifically, but, um, I've put a lot of myself into that. Um, we have other brands now that are not part of who I am that sell other things, but the core business is, is hair supplements. So that is my business and that has, you know, enabled me to do other things and not get a job. 95. Amazing. And have you used your astrology for to help that other business grow? I've kind of given it more knowledge, I should say. Uh, yes and no, because, um, I do find that sometimes I do spend a lot of time working at astrology that, and I realize when things are happening, the good periods and the bad periods, and it has followed that. But, I haven't kind of said, look, we, you know, I've said, yeah, we've got to do something. We're going to be, this is going to be good. You know, it's like astrology is like the weather, you know, you take your umbrella when you know, it's going to be, um, difficult. So I have used it in that sense, but I don't really tie, I don't really hone it down to working astrologically. I mean, you get so busy. As an astrology, you forget to look at your own astrology, and obviously with a business as well, you then don't necessarily cross fertilize. I put two different hats on, really. Although I have, I do understand what the weather is coming up. Astrological weather. Astrological weather, yes, yes. I'm also aware of the business. Cycles as well. And, um, so things like, when we've had a Mars retrograde and it's been very close to my business areas, I've gone, Oh God, that's not going to be good. And it hasn't. So for instance, when that was happening, when I was aware of that, we were going to pull out of America, but, you know, as the retrograde happens and It goes forward again. And we didn't pull out of America. Curiously, there's an astrologer that I work with, and he's heavily into Bitcoin. And he talks about that Bitcoin doubles every time during the Mars retrograde. Really, does it? Oh, okay. That's fantastic to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We spoke about that. We were going to talk about, you know, 2025 and the transits in 2025, but I think what would be a really great setup would be for, to talk about your journey as, Andy, we Thailand and as Venus investor. Um, because I think it's so curious what you just spoke about in terms of that separation between you and your business. And I think that would be immensely helpful to people who are listening to. This podcast, because a lot of them will have a small business or have their own business and interested in. Oh, should I be the face of it? Should I not be the face of it? How does that work? So that's one thing I'd love to talk about with you. Um, and of course, cover the 2025 transit. And the question that I often start with, because I think it's such an important question is what was valued when you were growing up, like, what did you feel was like the kind of motivating value within your family? What was valued in my family? I'll take that question first. I felt that my intelligence, not, not intelligence, not intellectual intelligence. was one of the things I think my dad, who was rather intelligent, and he's the sort of guy that you'd play Trivial Pursuit, as it was then, you play Trivial Pursuit with, and he'd win and get all the answers. And he also, um, you know, he did the telegraph cryptic crossword every day. I don't even know what the questions mean. Let me start answering those. So my dad had quite a really powerful mind and he'd really encourage us to, to read, and listen and listen and learn and look it up. You might learn something kind of thing. God, we hated that. And you know, so many dads do that, don't they? Don't ask me how to spell it. Look it up. Don't ask me what that is. You've got a dictionary. And sometimes you go, come on, let's have a look. And we'd get the Encyclopedia Britannica or whatever encyclopedia we had. We had a couple of encyclopedias. One was ancient and one was quite new. Um, I think the new purple one, which was obviously going around before we had the internet. Can you imagine? Before we had the internet, we had encyclopedias. And if you wanted to find out about something, you had to look it up like a dictionary. There was no Google. So my dad was very big on that. You know, let's look it up and let's, let's, let's see what it says. What do you think? Making us watch documentaries. And obviously you watch them in black and white. And my dad was, can you, can't imagine the colors. So his, his was about. learning and understanding things and, um, learning them for yourself. You just don't listen to someone, what they've said. So that was, that was really, you know, very hard. And, and honestly, he would always tell me, uh, be yourself. No, not that. Be yourself. Everyone else is taken. Be yourself. Doesn't matter. Just be yourself. If they don't like you, it's tough. My father was a policeman. So, he saw all sorts of people behaving in all sorts of ways. And pretending and lying and, you know, getting into fixes. He'd just always say, just be yourself. It's enough. How extraordinary to get that advice, you know, from your father and, and in the times that we were growing up, because my parents, I remember if we went to visit somebody, they'd be like, be on your best behavior. You know, we knew how to behave in public and not that we behaved probably any differently when we weren't there, but there was an extra consciousness who wasn't there. There was this extra. Yeah. Yeah. The edge of, you knew you were in really bad trouble if you presented in a way that, you know, um, was, um, naughty with other people. And so that's so powerful for to, to learn that so young. And so as a consequence of that, did you grow up with amazing self esteem? I, you know what I, you know, did I, I guess, I guess, um, no, well, no, because he, he, he loved my sister much more than me. And he didn't really. I was allowed to be in the room, you know, so, um, and, and virtually ignored by him at some stages, but, so it wasn't, it wasn't, it was, it gave me self assurance. You know, and I think some people I find, you know, you can feel that I some people put themselves in competition with you, or you trigger them, and that doesn't bother me I am self assured, I think, I think the worst is it's like I can be on my own. I can be ultra independent which is obviously a trigger for that result of that, but I don't need people. And so, are you the oldest child. And I was the youngest, there was two, yes. You were the youngest? Oh, and your older sister was his favourite? Yeah. That's so interesting. My mother says the same about her and her sister but she was the oldest, that her younger sister was his favourite, that she, that he absolutely favoured her, which is a challenging thing for a girl to grow up with, for not be obviously your father's favourite. You know what I mean? My mother was too treated as equally, and um, my father vehemently denies this. But other people see it too, so he can't, but he squirms out of that one. But he, whether he loved her more or whatever, he treated my sister with kid gloves. And, you know, I was allowed to be around, kind of thing. So anyway, I mean like, we've had our ups and downs. I just felt like that, you know, these words of wisdom that he gave me, my dad is super self assured as a policeman, you know, having to go into very difficult situations and just deal with things. And my dad is super observant about how people behave and what they're getting up to. And, you know, so, you know, it sounds like he gave me that self assurance, but he also, I'm just saying he wasn't this perfect. Oh, look at you. You're now so super competent because your dad told you these things. He wasn't the perfect father either. So I was learning. And so, your journey was a lot of working with PR. And so from PR, you went into creating your own business. Yes, because bright lights, big city wanted. lived on the outskirts of London. I'm a Londoner. I'm so attracted to everything that was going on that was new and fantastic in London. And I wanted to be part of it. And, I'd obviously connected with the party scene quite well, but, and also I had started modeling, but I was bored with it. It was like, what's the makeup artist doing? What's the photographer doing? What's the person who books this? Cool. You know, it was always interesting what everyone was doing because just modeling for me was, I wasn't using my brain. So. That's how I got into PR because it was like, I can, I can do this. I want to know, I want to know what people are doing, not just being here as a face or, you know, body kind of thing. So that's how I got into PR. And in fact, so, um, My girlfriend was teaching Lynne Franks staff aerobics on a Wednesday night, that's aging it, you can tell that was in the 80s, when aerobics was, and my friend was teaching Lynne Franks, Lynne Franks is Edie in Absolutely Fabulous. That's who Absolutely Fabulous is based on. She was the PR supremo. And Lynn Franks, so she asked Lynn Franks if there was a spot for me. My friend desperately wants to be in PR. And her, um, her PA was in the days when everyone had PAs was off on maternity leave and every temporary PA had come in from really top flight agencies all had run out in tears, because it was such a difficult environment to work in so fast paced and, A rollercoaster kind of environment fast and pressurized and and my she said my friend will do it. My friend wants to do it. So I got the job as in France's PA. I hadn't ever used a computer before I could forgotten how to type. And, um, I was completely rubbish. And, as we all know, you might know if I'm telling you, Absolutely Fabulous is based on Lynne Franks, and Lynne Franks is, or Edie's PA in Absolutely Fabulous is Bubbles. So therefore I was Bubbles. As my first career move, uh, I was bubbles and I was a bit like that as well, you know, I mean this is in the eighties and, um, people were ringing her the whole time. It had to feel took. It was like a switchboard. I had a personal switchboard at my desk and a notepad, and I dunno how it went, but through a notepad a week and a line 3 30, 3 0 4. 334, 336, 336 again. And they'll just be, each line would have a person in their phone number who called and I'd just have to give her the notepad at the end of the day so she'd go through her calls. So it was constant because people wanted, this is like in the early days of PR becoming a thing. And, um, so every Friday at four they used to go off. Chanting, the whole agency, um, you know, Buddhist chanting. And so I took such great delight. And you can imagine Bubbles doing this as well. I kept going, no, sorry, I can't put you through. They're chanting. And, um, and I wouldn't let anyone through. No, sorry, they're chanting. I was going to take a message. And was that your first introduction to, um, Eastern philosophy and Eastern religions? I, um, what's it? Yes, that's really it was. Yes, because I, I had because I was quite a sort of devout little girl, in some ways, before I discovered partying, of course, but I was a rather devout and my sister, my parents stopped going to church when they were, you know, when they didn't have to anymore. And I continued, I continued, I got myself confirmed and everything by myself. So I, I was very interested in that sort of thing. You know, anything that was religion, but a bit, you know, not mainstream. So do you think that might be your north node in your ninth house? Um, yeah. Yes, obviously. Yes, yes. That's very true. Ninth house. And also coming from a south node in Scorpio. So, um, Yeah. Yes. And the south. Can jump Neptune. Can jump the moon. Can jump the moon. Yeah. With that, um, Neptune next to it. Softens the moon, you know, or it's the moon in Scorpio. Like it gives it that sort of imagination and the creativity. Yeah. Yes. And the imagination, the spiritual, you know, Flying off on spiritual endeavors and, without any reason to do it, just to do it, you know, let's go there kind of thing. So yeah, so, um, so yeah, I started out. And part of my starting out as Bubbles was I was so desperate to get into PR, so desperate to get into what was happening and I landed right where everything was happening, truly happening. So I have to thank Ian Franks for that. Yeah, she, she was great. Um, although it was quite hectic and I was quite rubbish. Um, I, but people were coming up to me by the end of the first or second week going, uh, holding my hand going, we are so pleased that you haven't run out quite. Everyone else has cried and left. We're so pleased that you didn't go. So thank you for staying. So it's, it's the birth by fire, isn't it? It truly is the whole thing of if you can last, and it's also like, if you don't know any better, you know, which these girls who probably had been more experienced were like, I'm not dealing with that shit. Whereas, you know, you didn't know how it worked. So your curiosity And your thirst to learn meant you were just like, Oh, she's just another quirky character. I can deal with this quirky character. Well, I think it was more that I was in reverence to her as well. And I wanted to be in this world. This was, this is my home. I had arrived kind of thing. So I really wanted to be, but actually I didn't even know how hopeless I was. I mean, obviously I was affected in some ways, but, but I mean, just like bubbles really, God, now I'm thinking about it. Wasn't taking anyone's kind of like black that they were staring at me. It was like, no, that's it, you know, so in some ways I came as an outsider. I was desperately trying to get in, but actually looking at it going, well, you know, this, this is chaotic and this is hectic. And, um, um, I'm in a position where I don't want to be in this, I want, I want to be more involved, but where I'm not taking all these damn calls. Yeah, it's so interesting though, because I sincerely believe that innocence protects you, you know, from that point of view and that when you, and, and, and spiritually, that's what we would say is that in every moment, every moment is entirely new. And if you can, enter it with innocence. So you, in that situation, were not entering with agenda. You were not entering with, this is how it's got to be. And I know how this is. So you weren't bringing in any inherited, legacy or framework or rules. You were just like, Okay, here I am. And I've arrived at this amazing place. And now I'm just going to do, you know, as your father had taught you, I'm going to learn and observe. And, you know, and your intelligence came into play. Yeah. I'd also say that I, you know, some of that time I was a bit away with the fairies too. It wasn't fully present. Uh, you know, as well, but, but anyway, who was, who was in that time, you know. Yeah. And, and so, so then that brought you into this, obviously other PR situations It opened up a pathway, and it opened up a pathway to the mystical as well as to PR and the real world. And you know, and PR, let's be honest, is an illusion anyway. It's the greatest framework of stories that we have. And that's obviously my Neptune South node. Yeah, creating stories, creating stories. And that, that, that was my baptism of fire into that world. And, um, I, I think, I don't know what it is, you know, you hear about millennials now, and it's their desire to get ahead in a job isn't like it was in the 80s. You know, we had Gordon Gekko is our hero in the 80s. We all wanted to get a job and get ahead and do something fantastic. And I had ideas and, and so I was ready to work, I showed up, not necessarily always on time, I've got to say, but I showed up, consistently, and I would be there, and I'd work for people, and I would do the job, so, I think there's a lot to be said for that, when you think about working conditions now, and, um, I really worked hard, I worked hard to get ahead, and it took me a lot, but I did eventually get ahead. And so when did the astro, when did the astrology come into play? The astrology, well, so when I was, like I said, I was very, when my sister, my parents, as you know, you know how the, the astrology really started back, back, back when I was young enough to play in a sandpit, I was playing in a sandpit. in a, some play park somewhere, and I found a little silver coin, and on one side it said, um, one side, I don't know why, but it said Leo on one side and Aquarius on the other, and Why would it have those two written on it? Uh oh. No, no. Sorry. What Leo and Virgo written on it. Leo and Virgo. I mean, ob it would obviously have Leo Aquarius, but it said Leo Virgo. And so I looked it up and I was like, mom, what do, what did, did I look it, I can't look it up. I must have asked around, what does this mean? Oh, there are astrology symbols. What does that mean? Well, that was my introduction and it was like, but what am I a Leo? Or am I a Virgo? And my mom was like. Of course you're a Virgo, darling, you know, and so I always believed I was a Virgo. You are pretty close to being a Virgo. Yeah, I'm a Virgo rising, to the last degree of Leo. I think I am true in the fact that I look like a Virgo more than I look like a Leo. Especially because the Leo is the 12th house anyway. But That was my introduction. I was always going, Oh, Miller, and, and I would always try and make my friends play witches and, and I was always making magic potions in the mud in our little tree house and all the rest. So, and then I found discovered that there were things like tarot cards and astrology properly, but I absolutely went down that road. I taught myself how to do tarot cards. I taught myself astrology. Was this in your teens or was this later? It was in my teens, yeah, yeah. From about 12 onwards. About 11, 12 I started getting into it. Because like with the internet, obviously, if you're interested in tarot, you're interested in astrology, you know, from whatever age you can cover it. But in those days, you know, there was, you'd have had to go to a shop or you'd have had to go to a library, you know, it wasn't available in the same way that it is now. And I got Derek and Julia Parker's compendium, taught myself astrology from there, which I kind of only got halfway through and then kind of went off piste a bit. And, um, I was just always attracted to that. And of course there was the religious context as well that I had. really been into, separated from my parents in terms of their religious background. Some of that potentially they were going to church just so that I could go to the right school, but my dad had enough of religion, uh, was not going to go there. You know, I'm, he was done with the religion coming from a religious background and from Belfast, so you brought up Catholic or Anglican? Anglican, but well Church of England because I was in England and my dad would say if I ever asked him that question, because obviously I went to Belfast quite a lot as a young child in the eighties, seventies and eighties and the sixties. My dad would just go, we're Pentecostal. It's quite the right turn on that question. I get like, Dad, what about No, we're Pentecostal, or I think the English would call it Methodist. So that's the answer I got to any of those Irish questions about what religion are you, even though I was going to Belfast all the time, I wasn't being person, being an Irish person, I understand exactly what he was doing. He was just going, yeah, yeah. Not in this conversation, you know? Yeah, exactly. That's what he was doing. Yeah. Whereas my brother in law and my sister went to Belfast recently and they were in a cab and, and, you know, there's four of them in the cab and your man said, you know, so you Protestant or Catholic. And three of them were Catholic were brought up Catholic, you know, they are now. And, um, And, and her husband said, but, I'm Anglican. And he said, well, no, no, no, no. He says, you're in Belfast now. He says, it doesn't matter if you're a Jew or you're, Islamic or whatever you are, you're either a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew or, you know, there's only two flavors and that's it. That's mad, isn't it? Because, you know, I think, I don't know how old was that cab driver, because I think if you've lived through those times, I think that's, you know, we've got to love each other, no matter if you're, whatever your skin color, your creed, your religion, and the, God, they're getting into territory here. When my, when I stopped going to, when my parents stopped going to church, I would go to church with my Irish friends up the road, and we'd go to the Catholic church, and so I've been to both, and Devotion is devotion. Yeah, and it's the same. And, and I'm brought up Church of England, I have a rosary, you know, and I love all of it. And, and yeah, there's wars being fought over this, and yeah, I can go into that church and I can go into that church, um, and I can take communion. I have taken communion in both churches. I mean, and there's wars and people have been killed over this, God doesn't want this. God doesn't want us to be fighting over those principles. Oh, I completely agree with you. But I think that the illusion is that the wars are about their religion. And of course, of course, the problem with all of religion is, is that, you know, were the problem is, is if you identify as one thing against another, rather than okay, this is who, what your father is saying is just be who you are. Which means that you can then be, Oh, who are you? You can be really curious about other people. But you know, I grew up in Ireland in the height, as I say, I never would have been called a war, but in Ireland, it was called the troubles and you know, and it was very, yeah, the troubles. Yeah. And it was very clear whether you were Catholic or Protestant. And there wasn't that many Protestants. I mean, I was down South and I have one Protestant friend. And I noticed like, you know, later on when we were kind of, you know, going to bars and stuff when we were 18 and 19, within a couple of minutes of meeting anyone, she would have found out their religion. It wouldn't occur to me to ask somebody their religion. Same, same. And I'm with you in terms of that, you know, we're all one, and with all of these divisions, my belief is, with all the knowledge, with all the experience, with all the history, with all the everything that we have, and with all the science, It's, it absolutely amazes me that people can other, you know, cause I just kind of go, there is, and this is for people who are not kind of magical or mystical or even religion. I just kind of go like, the science shows there's no difference. You know, how can you even have that argument? How can you even begin to Argue that. And so, so yes, there are wars have been fought, but you know, number one, history is pretty no matter where you look. And number two, you know, people who are in power, they have been as mean to their own people. They have been as mean to women. They've been as mean to men, to men. It doesn't matter. We've all been slaves. And, and so many cultures have had slaves, you know, look at the Bible, the slave going on there. Look at, look all around the world, there's been slaves. And mortgages and debt is the present day version of that. And I really didn't get that until I went to Indonesia one time. And suddenly everybody had a car. And I said to the guy, everyone's offering me a lift. How does everyone have a car now? You know, I hadn't been there for a few years and he said, Oh no, no, no. The banks own the cars. And that was the first moment. Oh, wow. As soon as you owe somebody something, you have to get up and go out work because you're, you know, you're incumbent for it to pay that. Whereas, you know, before that, it was really around, do we have some food, you know, and you went day to day. So it's an entirely different way of living, an entirely different way of being. So, yes. That, I think, brings us to the astrology, I think, because I've been saying this for years, that, you know, I feel this, um, period of industrial revolution that we have worked ourselves into the slavery drudgery system, where the overlords were paying up, we're paying up. So it's only a small percentage at 1 percent who have all the money and can relax the rest, we're all working towards that system. And when we had the Saturn, Pluto, Jupiter conjunction at the end of Capricorn and America's Pluto return. It's like we, we're just coming out of the fourth industrial revolution, uh, with that, all those Capricorn aspects that we're moving ahead now. And we are not going to work like that in the future. And people are not going to be invested in, I'm going to work all my life to get a carriage clock at the end of it. It's, you know, people are far freer than for, you know, it's, it's, Aquarius, there isn't that hierarchy there. And we're looking at that hierarchy going, this isn't a fair system. And I feel this is what's happening in the astrology that that that hierarchy is slowly coming down. That's Pluto at the end of Capricorn, just in its dying throes of the neocons of all those big industries that have had us over a barrel, whether that's, you know, by oil, by medication, by education, by pharmaceuticals, all of it, they've had us over a barrel because they're making money out of our sickness, out of our work, out of our drudgery. So we are, we are, like in the film The Matrix. We are plugged in, or they have us plugged in to their system, they're taking our energy, those people at the top are taking our energy, and I feel with Aquarius, I mean, in some ways you can say, well, communists is going to come in because Pluto's going to Aquarius, but I really feel that we aren't going to want to give in to those overlords anymore, and you know, that's where I stand. Sorry, that's where I started my career going, I've got to be in this system. I love it. I want to make money and I want to be, you know, part of the magazine. And I worked in magazines and I worked in PR and beauty PR and fashion and I loved all that. And I was into it. But now I'm going, Oh God, Sorry, I think they just to bring it to the point of where you're saying that the Millennials, and they're not as ambitious and I think that's what it is, they gave up, they're not buying the, they're not buying They're not buying the Kool Aid in the same way that we bought the Kool Aid, because like you, you know, you know, they say some people see the lights and they want to run towards them and other people run away. Now I was like you, I wanted to be right at the center of it, like I've lived in London, I've lived in New York. I think our generation did, because we had Gordon Gekko as a hero, it was the 80s, and when we have Neptune going into Capricorn, Neptune is just dissolving. And Pete, how can you be born with Neptune in Capricorn and want to go to work, you're going to go, no, I want to bring this whole house down and create something else. I'm not respecting it. I'm not feeling it. I'm not feeling. So, you know, we've had Neptune, Saturn, those millennials, many of them have got Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, all in Capricorn. That's major disruption to our, what we thought would be the fourth industrial revolution, where we all be working like little ants going to work. Nah, it's not, it's not going to happen. So, so just to bring that into context to explain it for people, that means that the outer planets and the outer planets are generational planets. And so at some point with these millennials, when the millennials were being born, they either have one or some of these huge generational planets in Capricorn that disrupt everything that's Capricorn and everything that's Capricorn is going to be business, corporate stuff, careers. making money. And so they're going, Oh, they've come to it with these in their blood that they can't buy into that generational Capricorn idea of. Yeah. And so how I described Capricorn, some people talk about Capricorn as being the ruler, but I described Capricorn as being the governor. It's the government, it's institutions, it's systems it builds to last, you know, I mean, it's, It's the seagoat going up the mountain, like it wants to climb to the highest or rules the 10th house, which is, you know, what do you want to be known for? You know, it's about status. It's signaling that you belong or signaling that I belong to this, or I belong to that. And it's a good little worker, you know. When Capricorn's in its strength, it's got that little fishtail, so it should be intuitively, and it's also an earth sign, it's a feminine sign, which sort of seems to go against all of those kind of concepts, doesn't it? And yet, you're right. I think you're completely right with all those generational planets in Capricorn. It's going, okay, this system isn't working. We need a new system. Because Neptune would dissolve it. Saturn would go, well, some parts of this isn't working. We have to put it right to bring, deconstruct it to put it right again. Jupiter's kind of coming in blasted up. So everyone's going a bit crazy with it, you know, and all these, but at one point, you In the Millennials birth charts, they were all in at the same time kind of thing. It was a heavy everything's in Capricorn. So those are generational planets. You must think about that as someone in someone's makeup but also what it does generationally rather than the personal, the person who's got Venus in Capricorn or whatever it is. Obviously Capricorn has other themes other than work, but it is that ability to create something and build something. He is the master builder and karmic. So, yeah, there's a slight difference between what we're talking about as a generation and what really affect people on a personal level because we need a bit of Capricorn if we do want to get ahead. Um, well, I sincerely believe that, you know, I mean, the podcast is called the Discipline of Freedom, which is around creating some structure and some systems and framework and foundation, and you can't build anything without that, and it's also ruled by Saturn and Saturn, you know, master teacher wants, patience pays, you know, today's for tomorrow, you know, it's very much around, right thought, right feeling, right intention, right action, you know, it's, it's saying, this is a long life, you know, whereas what I see in the millennials is they wanted instant gratification takes too long. You know, and, you know, overnight success takes 10 years, always, you know, people first and, and, and Capricorn very much respects that old apprentice, apprentice to journeyman to master, you know, and it's so, So interesting to have all of those planets in that space, And we've had X Factor and all those TV shows of The Apprentice, you know, um, Britain's got talent, America's got talent, Australia's got talent. We've had all those programs that teach those kids just to go on a talent show and, and also the music business completely stabbed itself in the foot, didn't it, really, with so much of what was going on there. And probably still is, but yeah, so they have that instant gratification, that instant hit, that instant wonder, you know, but also. Influencers and bloggers because when I got out of beauty PR is when the influencers were coming in. Thank God I got out then because I was into serious PR where it was that serious as you could be with beauty PR and and talking to beauty journalists who knew their stuff as much as I could tell you quite a few tales of really bad behavior when the influencers came in. They were just, not playing the game and I thought this is pointless, you don't have got any interest in anything I've got to say. I'm holding a press launch and I've got a scientist, an eminent scientist here to come and explain to you what Milano sites are or what, all these things. And normally journalists will go, Oh, that's interesting. Ask questions. What about this? What about that? And you know, what about this ingredient? Discussions. Whereas the influencer would be taking pictures of the cupcakes or the curtains or the hotel outside, you know, where the event was like, what's the point? Well, so for me, that was like game over. That was me ending my career in PR because I felt I had nothing to offer these people and I wasn't interested in what they were doing. And really, I should have got off my ass and done a beauty blog there and then, myself. But I didn't anyway. No, no regrets. I mean, and I think this is what the astrology is very much about, or how I work with astrology is can you see the future so you can make it convenient for you? Because we will be forced to change or else we use our intuition to change. And that's very much I think, in that fate and free will aspect of, um, astrology. Okay. This is what you got. Okay, how do you use that? And every chart comes with skills. Every chart comes with lineage. Every chart comes with talents. Every chart comes with challenges. And how do you use your chart in that way? And, I bring it back to the locus of control, you know, how do you work with what you've got and manage yourself and manage your own experience because you really have so little control over what's out there. And so many people sit in the space of, you know, the victim. Whereas, really, it's the journeys from the victim to the victorious, and the only, and that has to happen inside, means the Gandhi's thing of everybody wants to change the world and nobody wants to change themselves. And so on that, What values was I given? I wasn't, uh, my, you know, that thing, let's stop feeling sorry for yourself. My dad would be that, don't feel sorry for yourself, or not being the victim is definitely something I was taught. And, you know, it's like when you feel it, when you are feeling sorry for yourself, I think my dad would allow a certain amount of that and support, but you know, come on, you know, you can't stay there. And I think that was, um, I One of the values I was taught, you know, that you allow yourself some, but come on. Because I, I work with I love Carline Miss's archetypes and, you know, talking about, you know, we don't have 12 archetypes, which goes that you'd have an archetype for each, house or for each sign in your chart. And she talks about that everybody has the four archetypes, which is the victim, the saboteur, Um, and the, um, the child and, you know, and then it's around identifying for yourself, you know, okay, what house that are you the victim? And then the journey is from the victim to the victorious from the child to the adult from the prostitute to being sovereign and from the self saboteur to being your own advocate and being your own, um, hero, essentially. So working for yourself rather than self sabotaging yourself. And so I think that might be an interesting segue into, you know, how we talk about what's coming up in 2025. Hmm. It's already happening. I feel like 2025. Wow. You know what, there's so much unbelievable change coming up, but I don't think It's like that's the one sentence answer to that question. I don't think we can imagine what's coming up. We've got no idea. And so that's one right. Next question. No, the, the, when Pluto moves into Aquarius in two weeks, less than two weeks time, and that's like closing of a door. Just two seconds. Sorry. And Pluto is the planet of transformation. Yes, but it's not just transformation, it's utter transformation from deep within. It's taking out the old rot and feeling those toxins that have built up. Pluto adds power to a situation, always brings the power, and power corrupts in that way, it's like, it's so powerful that things go rotten, and where it is rotten it has to transform, it has to, it's evolve or die. Pluto comes along, evolve or die. And so America's just had its Pluto return, and the, Roman Empire only had two Pluto returns, and in this first Pluto return, they had the crisis of the third century, you know, there was destruction, there was a 50 year recession. I mean, God, I hope we don't have that. As Pluto comes along and does a Pluto return, you have to evolve, you cannot stay the same. And so we've got Pluto that's been in Capricorn building up power in the corporates, building up power in the commercial, in the government world. They've been been building and building. It gets this 29 degree where it's having all these heads. It's ahead of a kite. It's in an opposition. It's at 29 degrees, 29 degrees of any sign. It's called the anorectic degree. It's the degree of crisis. It's the last chance saloon for all the things that were supposed to happen in that sign to happen. And with Pluto, it's been in Capricorn for 15 years. So this has been building for 15 years. And some of that's been good, some of that's been good, but it's, uh, the transformation has to happen. I don't think what has been built, because it's Capricorn, understands that it's got to change. They think, well, it's been built, we've built our golden nest egg, and now we're on the gravy train. But actually, no, it's just gonna come crashing down. Because when Pluto, and our Pluto is right on this 29 degrees for the last month, and is moving into Aquarius, And it's, uh, for another, for 15 years in Capricorn. So that move on the 19th of, November is like kicks off all the moves, all the changes are going to happen next year because. Pluto moving into Aquarius is we are moving into a new era completely. So that's number one. 2025 starts then. And then, of course, we have the nodal change in January. So the north node, south node, the axis of that is going to change in January. So together, these two things are just phenomenal switches of energy. Um, that I think, wow, we're, we're really, um, this is the far, it's going to start moving at a fast pace now different things are going to come in. And plus straight after this, um, straight after the Pluto moving into Aquarius, we have Mars going into a retrograde. Retrograding from Leo, but then crisscrossing over the opposition to Pluto. So we've got the two malefics, two powerhouses, you know, really deeply ready to fight. So there's going to be a fight on our hands. But with Mars moving back, I think in Leo is going to take some heads with it. Heads are going to roll. I think we're going to have some, a change of, um, dare I say it, you know, unelected leaders, change of people who have been unaccountable and taken their head in leads are, are going to be taken down with this mild retrograde. The unelected leaders. Well, Leo, you think of Leo as the monarchy. Leo is the monarchy, Leo is the, leaders, and so they will be elected as well as unelected. Same as with Capricorn, you know, that they've built up to become that leader for financial reasons or whatever, or they've been elected. Same, but with monarchy, monarchy is definitely not elected, it's inherited, isn't it? So there, but obviously as a Leo, you don't, it's that style that you assume. So yes, elected and unelected, it's like, I think there's a lot of hidden. unelected leaders in our world right now, I'm looking at the World Economic Forum, you know, that kind of, they're totally all unelected, come together and there is this body that is directing governments that we have no say in. So Maybe they'll keep existing, but it has to change because it's the big corporates that are having their say within that. And so the big corporates industries are unelected. We've elected them with our purses, of course, but I think that's, that Mars retrograde has a powerful influence on that when it starts to retrograde. So there's, there's a few things that already before we get to 2025 are changing and the, the nodal change in January as well. But the good thing, I want to say this is a really good thing because when the nodal change happens, when the North node moves back into Pisces, it, and, and, uh, when it, or before it gets moved, we're going to have, um, Yeah, when it moves it back into Pisces, it's going to conjunct with Neptune. Neptune and the North Node together are amazing. You know, all your dreams come true. Let's work on our dreams. And Neptune and Saturn, and Saturn and the North Node is like, start building your dreams. You can. This is amazing. It's artistic. You can create things. It's so utterly artistic and wonderful. So we've got the North Node and Saturn in Pisces. We've got the North Node and Saturn in Pisces. Neptune in Pisces, and then we have both of those with Venus. all next spring. Um, and so I think there are so many beautiful creative opportunities on a very 3D mainstream levels of getting some really creative and wonderful things blooming, blossoming to happen in the spring next year. So as much as there might be some hardship coming up, we are going to have this blooming blossoming next year. I call it the spring. I mean your autumn, so, when Venus goes retrograde as well, I think that we're going to have some good, um, opportunities coming up. We are going to be blessed in some departments for that. So that's a good thing that's happening, for the early next year. And I suppose what from the point of view of listeners is, is how do you harness this energy? You know, how, if you're, An individual and you're working for yourself or you're working for somebody else, When you've been told, okay, these are the rules and this is how you do it, which we've all seen has been disrupted again and again and again, you know, which is the uranium energy. Uranus is the great awakener and disruptor Pluto. It says you've got to shed skins. You know, it's, it's the ruler of, um, Scorpio. It wants change. Like it's the most comfortable with change. as you say, it, what is it? does is it, it's the potent power, isn't it? It just concentrates and focus. It's atomic power, essentially, you know, we don't, we don't even know we've got it. And I think that's also another thing, you know, Mars going retrograde in Leo, you know, we don't understand our own power. We don't understand Pluto in the chart. It's really difficult to understand it. As a child. There's no way you can understand it getting to grips with your Pluto is where you do have power, where you then give away power, or often you sometimes see in Pluto in a chart where somebody else's son is there or somebody else's you're giving your power to that person to that organization, because you can't quite grip the power the responsibility of that power is huge. And so. You're not always owning it. And, I take my hat off to that as well. We are not always owning our Pluto, and it is that powerful. And how can humanity understand, you know, we talk about the self sovereignty that we're beginning to understand. And we are beginning to understand us as sovereign beings, that we have the power, and Pluto moving into Quaris will be part of us awakening to our power, that we can transform the world, that we are changing as humanity. And I think with the Neptune and Saturn and the North Node and Venus all at the end of Pisces, there's this almost interdimensional kind of element of opening ourselves up to who we are as spiritual beings. So the two happening very close together. And so what do we do? I think that's where I think astrology is such a good thing to realize where those things are in your chart. Ask those planets for help. I do the shamanic work on those planets too. But working with them going, this is my Pluto and your, you know, this is where I've given away my power. This is where I've got to own it back and potentially take more responsibility for that. And. you know, working with the planets and the tides that they bring in, knowing that, um, some things might be challenging and not shying away from that. Um, but knowing that there is huge creative potential where, you know, it's good time to work on those things. So two things. One is I'd like you to talk about your own Pluto, because I think that would anchor. Yeah. And then the other thing is that I feel that Is often not discussed at all, is that. With power comes responsibility. And I think that's often why people don't use their power. Is there afraid, will they be able to be responsible? Do they, can they hold the capacity for greater responsibility? People will always want more wealth, but do you have the capacity to hold that? Well, you know, people want to be influencers or they want to, you know, create big businesses, but you must build your nervous system and have the capacity for, to be able to lead that. And you've got to be honest with yourself where you're lying to yourself, where you're kidding yourself, where you're, um, where, yeah, being honest about that, really honest. And some people can't face that. But you're saying with power comes great responsibility. Even more so, I think, with freedom comes great responsibility, too. Where, you know, you know, a lot of people, people, in this world, you know, to get a job, to be safe, to not have to think, not have to, and we've had the idea that we've been so free that we haven't really had to engage with politics or understand what's going on. We've given away our power to whatever, the corporate world, the commercial world, to shops, to the consumerism, to material world. If we're to take our power back, if we do have the power, we then have to become responsible, much more responsible, much more, I hate the word politically minded, but you know, aware of what's really going on and, and, um, who has the power and who has, they're quite close. The Uranus thing and the Pluto, owning both the Uranus and the Pluto are, both come with responsibility. I mean, both of them can knock you off your feet too. Um, and so that's interesting in that you're asking me about my Pluto. My Pluto is conjunct Uranus, as is yours, as is anyone born in the mid 60s. Mid sixties had Pluto Uranus conjunct and just think that there's Pluto coming into the sixties, um, where some dark things were going on. It was empowering, and Uranus, empowering women in one hand, empowering women with the pill, revolutionary ideas that the pill came in. Virgo is about healthcare, Virgo is about our fertility, Virgo was about the female, the maiden, and here she was given the pill. And as a Pluto pill to take that had such dark power that I think it's just been insidious corruption ever since that power in terms of we're peeing those hormones into her water, the fish have changed sex. So, you know, it follows that we will. So there was the Pluto Uranus conjunct that really blew us up, and we weren't, we were so not aware of what was going on then. Women were so not aware of what we were being given then, as a, oh look, you can go and sleep with whoever you like. Sex is not sacred, sex is available to anyone now. And actually that was something very dark that we were told en masse, and actually I think en masse we are now, rejecting that as a, as a concept that no, no, the sex is sacred. And we've had to learn that for ourselves rather than the church telling us that we've had to learn that in our own souls. So there's that Pluto Uranus conjunct in the 60s that, um, you know, that so many people, you know, of our age group, um, will have. So that was really started going, it got quite close to 63 64, but 65 66 was tight, and it was kind of over 67 68. So those, that's the period of Uranus Pluto conjunct. And of course, in the last few, from about around 2012, we had the Uranus Pluto squares, which were, um, you know, opening up, really forcing us into revolution and waking us up, waking something deep within us up. And of course, then we have Neptune, at that time, Neptune in Pisces, which was again, opening us up to our interdimensional possibilities as humans. So, um, there's, there's a little bit about. Pluto in my birth chart. Not that, obviously I was a baby then, I wasn't on the pill in the 1960s, um, but so having that in your birth chart, you know, there's a revolutionary idea there, that you are so utterly prepared, and I think that's probably why our generation would apparently rank the most, have the most alcohol, drugs and binge drinking and craziness, because we wanted to take it to the edge with that Pluto Uranus conjunction thing. All the way through, you're born in the 60s. You are quite happy to go to the edge with that. That's how punk rock was born. You know, we're like, yeah, disruptors, major disruptors. And it's the freedom without the discipline. That's what it is. It's the, you know, it's like, okay, how far can I push it? There's so many in that, you know, forever 27. Um, I just watched Amy Winehouse recently. I mean, she's another generation, but it is that, you know, the James Dean, you know, So there was such extraordinary talents, um, and they left the world because you know that there is that thing of, Saturn would be everything in moderation and even moderation and moderation, you know, um, and all of those things. And if you're, if you're embracing freedom, like freedom, my sister has a great quote, which is that it's the right to discipline yourself. And I think we need. Some kind of self discipline, you know, I think, like I say, you know, you said what my values are, you know, that I have been able to self discipline and, people with some, I've had early on people look at my chart, astrologers would look at my chart before I was an astrologer and they'd go, well, well done you for not being a drug addict or an alcoholic kind of thing. So that's, I'm further rising, maybe Pluto Uranus, maybe there is a self, um, you know, restrainment. Regulation. With because it's Virgo because it was Virgo and it's like let's blow up health care Let's let's blow up our health, our ideas of what we should be taking in food and our nutrition, and look at all those people born in that area have got stomach problems, digestive problems, metabolism, you know, wheat, wheat, you know, Virgo, the Virgin, she's She's got the wheat isn't she? And look at all of us who, you know, God, I remember having sun blessed bread. Does that still exist? Or bimbo bread from Spain? Um, I think white bread does exist. White bread exists. Remember Slimsia? Show them you're a Slimsia girl. Slimsia bread, which is no calorie bread. No calorie bread. It was like cardboard air, you know. But it was also the birth of all that processed food, you know, like in America, margarine, which is basically kind of plastic. Yeah. Isn't it antifreeze or something that they made? You know, there's just so many disasters and I remember my mother would go to the supermarket and she was obsessed with like, what was new, you know, she loved kind of a new kind of microwave. Yeah, and things were processed to within an inch of their lives. And of course, obsessed with convenience. Well, of course, we're now all back to where but, you know, I grew up with, we used to have a dessert called angel delight, which was like some angel delight. Oh, you know, there was. It was powder and you added something or other. And then, you know. Butterscotch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chocolate flavor with hundreds of thousands. Strawberry sent it back to school. You know, so there's um, what was that um, Come Dine With Me TV program, you had the Come Dine With Me where they did footballers wives come dine with me. And she put this menu, this menu together and it had Delice D'Orange at the end. Delice D'Orange, who was angry to lie. Um, she had um, Yeah, she had, Thai chicken at the top of it and the girl was reading it going, Thai chicken? Why is she like Anyway, no, Delice D'Orange. I, I grew up on Delice D'Orange. Yeah, and soup that came out of her packet and, and things that were in cans! You know, it was like and, One of the stats that I love is that Kelloggs make 900 percent more from cornflakes than the farmer gets for corn. 900%. And they're using milk as a loss leader in, you know, in, in supermarkets. They use it as a loss leader because people come in for milk. And so they price it cheaper so the farmer gets nothing and they're pricing it cheaper than water. I mean, that's what, that's uranus in sat, in Taurus, sorting that out. But it all started uranus in Virgo. Where we messed up with the food production. And the food production is a monstrous issue now. I love the acronym for the Standard American Diet is S. A. D. Is it? Oh yeah, S. A. D. I only realized this the other day when somebody was talking about Standard American Diet and I said, Oh, that's S. A. D. It is S. A. D., yeah. Guardian, because you, I went to America recently, woof, so adventurous, and I was shocked because I knew that they had quite a bad food system, but I was completely shocked at how bad it's got. I mean, I could buy 20 different kinds of guacamole, but I couldn't buy an avocado type thing, you know, that they're so overly processed. I'm so full of sugar. And, and so, but obviously they're aware, they know, and that's what I mean. That has to change. This is the change that I think is coming up. This is Uranus in Taurus rocking that boat so that we understand what we've been doing to our food system. And it's not about, Oh, let's make it even more processed and put appeal on everything to keep the fruit thing or let us, or make it, you know, let's eat all bugs. Fried bugs. No, it's, it's being aware of, and having respect for the meat and the process that Mother Nature taught us. Virgo. Virgo star. It is Virgo star. It's interesting though because apparently there was a South Park episode where you know those Zempik has come out all those, you know, diet drugs that were the, diabetes, where The food industry is so pissed off because of the success of the Zempik that it's beating up the pharma. So it's beating it over the head because they're losing money because people aren't eating as much anymore. And so in a sense that could well be Where the system fails is that they're, they're imploding on themselves, essentially, as opposed to even it coming from grassroots. I think that people have been trying you know, the activists have been super busy and people have been trying to create change, from that grassroots. But the lobbies are so powerful, and particularly in the US, I mean, you know, the lobby system is so well funded, that it's very, very hard to have any impact. And they want to put on 100 percent tax on some weird tax on inheritance and farms now, inheritance tax on farms. I mean, that's dust. God awful. You know, you've worked all your life on a farm and the amount of subsidies that are going on into farming. And I encourage everyone, if they can, to find that film, Wilding, about the farm that they turned to the wild in England and the beauty of it. Um, and this farm that had been on subsidies, government subsidies for 20 years and never made a penny. They're like, what are we going to do? We've just inherited this farm. It's not making any money, we're going to have to sell it, or what are we going to do? So they let it go wild on a system that they had found in the Netherlands. And, uh, they created the most beautiful kind of heaven on earth. It's a must watch film. It got a standing ovation when I saw it. Um, well I told everyone to go and see it, and they said it got a standing ovation. But I probably saw the first screening of it, but yeah. And it's by the, about the Burroughs. Because there's other films. Simlin were named films, but the Burrell family inheriting that farm, it's incredible how, you know, that in, in, in the UK, that they were forced to grow wheat, yet it was such a damp area that was impossible to grow the wheat that was demanded of the government. And so the land wasn't being produced anything. So they were forced to use the fertilizer and the pesticides and nothing would grow on the land, unless you used fertilizer because they'd use so many pesticides. And the trees were dying around the farm. Everything was dying because it had been overly pesticides. So it took a few years for that to grow back. And when they took all the fences down, the pigs only snuffled on the driveway. They weren't, you know, snuffling in the ground. They only went to the driveway and they couldn't work it. And they realized the driveway was the only place where they hadn't got fertilizer and pesticides. And, and, um, but it took a while for this and they sort of turn the snuffling turns over the soil and makes it, you know, gets it aerated and all the rest of it. So it's an amazing film to watch if you, if you can get hold of it. Oh, I haven't seen it. I will watch it. I'll put it on my list. Um, wow. That's amazing. So anything else that we need to talk about in terms of, how you're finding the impact for you with these changes in astrology? Yeah. Absolutely. and how your Venus and Vesta, what's, talk to me through what's happening, that progression, or being a labor of love to then going, okay, so there's a podcast, it needs to support itself. And now you're creating an astrological school. Yes, because, because, um, in, in some of the things that I've been through, it's my sort of spiritual religious. Otherworldly, esoteric, and occult searchings, coming through to becoming a homeopath, a shamanic homeopath, and learning quite deep and wonderful things, I come from an astrology point of view that is very spiritual and shamanic at the same time, so that, that I, I felt that, um, I don't want to discredit anyone else, or, but, you know. I felt that I, I just go that extra mile and I think understanding the planets and what this universe as we're all made of stardust, we're all made of the same stuff, but we are, it's all vibration, resonance, um, what's the other word, vibration, frequency. And, um, But really, I think I come from such a deep mythology, deep idea that actually the Zodiac was created by the angelic realm to, as a surrounding, um, essence to create. the Earth and humanity. So they came first, you know, and it kills me, you know, some people thinking that zodiac is just 12 signs and that's it. It's just like this hugely powerful and intrinsic part of who we are. So, in the school, I wanted to, obviously there's the mechanics of astrology, which are so important, but the idea of getting to grips with an esoteric mystery school kind of element to it, to practice it, to experience astrology, not just learn what the stars say kind of thing. So that's where it's coming from. That's why I wanted to put it into a school because it's got some esoteric learnings too. And, and the idea that, you know, once a month in the school, we get together and we hold a circle with moon circle or look at the aspects and, and do a shamanic journey with it or a guided meditative journey where we go and ask questions and find answers and, work on ourselves as well. Because that's, that's the point, isn't it? So where, so can you explain to people who may not be conversant with these terms. Define how your studies came together. You've got tarot, you've got astrology. Within astrology, of course, there's deep mythology. And I don't think you can study astrology without Accessing that deep method and also, um, you know, from my own experience studying sacred geometry, you know, I sincerely believe that the universe is mathematical and we have to work with that, which is, you know, the purest language in many ways. And, um, And explaining, shamanic, the tradition of mystery schools, so how that brings together because I think what people are really interested in is how they can use these, what are called still called pseudosciences. But, for anyone who's been working with them for years, they know that they work and like, and you can pinpoint when something happened and you can see what planets were operating and there's signatures, within the system. I mean, it's such an extraordinary system. And to me, the power of astrology and the power of the system is that it's a dynamic system. But yeah, it's alive. And, and so when I say shamanic, I mean, that we are taking these as, you know, our consciousness doesn't, doesn't, sits in the brain, our consciousness is way beyond our brain. And, you know, we have cell memory. Parts of our parts, parts of our body have memory our body holds this memory, but, but our, the, our consciousness is, beyond our physical bodies. And the idea as well, that in the semantic sense that we, our brain is receiving information, we don't think of the information, the information comes to us from the cosmos is that's a very Uranus, Uranus, So, um, you know, as Steiner says, you know, Steiner and Goethe, I think they both said, you know, that the brain is a sensory organ. We receive that information. We receive the idea and thoughts from the cosmos. So in a shamanic sense, you know, we're understanding that everything is a living thing. And has consciousness. So that when, and also that when we. When we go on an inward journey, or we're really becoming aware of what the, what is coming towards us and we can journey to those things, we can shamanically connect with. The idea of the aspects in the astrology and that's where I'm going, you know, we go let's talk to the moon today Let's see what the moon has to say to us let's see how we feel about the moon and if we close our eyes and go on a in inverted commas shamanic journey a med guided meditation and within that I mean I create A safe container for us to go there, you know, you don't just close your eyes and we can just close your eyes and think about it. But really, within a group setting, we're going to create a container, go there, do our work and come back and understand that these thoughts and these ideas and our knowledge is out there beyond us but within us. So that's what I mean by shamanic. And the mystery schools, I mean, the mystery school teachings were, hidden from mankind, these teachings, and they would take initiates in to go through different feats of experience to really get to grips with how the universe, what, how are they had. And, um, this kind of information has been hidden from us and, and. Some of them, some of the things that they went through, we go, what were they doing that for? What were they burying themselves in a coffin under the ground for two days, you know, to experience, you know, a bit David Blaine in a way, but, so when I say, you know, not that everyone's going to do and go and bury themselves in a coffin for two days just to get the initiate mystery school teaching, but to understand that there's a lot of hidden information that's been buried or hidden in plain sight. Okay. that we can access and use and, know that this esoteric teachings are, are out there. And, um, yeah, that's what I mean by that. And in a sense, those esoteric teachings are accessible. They're within you, you know, I mean, one of my favorite quotes is that imagination is more important than knowledge because knowledge is It's limited to everything that you know, or that you've experienced, which is an Einstein quote imagination gives you access to everything. And the program that I run, the 12 month contrainer I run, which is called beyond business, you know, and it's, and it's beyond yourself, you know, and it's you have to go beyond yourself to quote young, you know, you've got to leave the life that you have or leave the. Limited beliefs that you have for it to be able to access. what's greater, what's the most innovative, what's new. And I really sincerely believe like that that is a function of your Neptune in your chart. It's a function of Uranus in your chart. It's a function of how do you, feel so secure? Or how do you get to the point where you are willing to enter the mystery? I mean, I've done a couple of mystery schools I was totally not conversant in this tradition of mystery schools, but I thought it was a cute name. And then I realized when I was in them that it was very much that. You've no idea what's next. And it's like, how can you, to use corporate language, how can you pivot proof yourself and how do you future proof yourself? And that is where the sovereignty and the self trust and all of these teachings really teach you how to be able to trust yourself in any moment. And trust in, have faith that you can surrender. Yes. Yes. And let go. Yes. Yeah. That actually is extraordinary because I always think that trust is a legacy. It's sort of, Oh, I've done this so I can do that. I can do this. I can do that. Or faith is absolute going. I have no idea, but I know that this will be, this will work. This will, this will lead me where I need to go to next. Yes, which is coming right back to that, which is how I started Venus Investor, just surrendered to that process of that's what I need to do, that's, that's an expression of me, and here I go. I think that's a great place to end this conversation. And so is there anything I haven't asked you that you'd like to talk to the audience about? I, I, you know, like we, we didn't really go into we've just started to in 2025 and that's enough because the planets are going to be, there's going to be major shifts happening and I want to add to what we just said and to complete to say, you know, the surrendering, the letting go, the having faith, and the having your own intentions and desires and wishes are all kind of bundled into one. And I think, even though there's going to be some major change, you know, have faith in your own ability, have faith in your own dreams, and Put them out there. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's a beautiful way to complete because I really believe that that is, that's what we're here for. We're here for to realize our dream. As creative beings, as sovereign beings. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed talking about myself as a Leo 12th house son who never talks about itself and puts everyone else there. I'm so happy to. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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So dear listeners, wasn't that? One hell of a conversation. We certainly went all over the place and. You can find all the links in the show notes. I hope you enjoy. I did as much as I did. Now Venus and fester has her. In Ole girl. Astrology school. And that will be starting, I think, in November. So I think it's starting to, soon as Pluto goes into Aquarius, actually. So I think that's 25% off until the end of this weekend. So. She really works in this beautiful shamonic way. And I think it would be really, a wonderful way to learn astrology. The link to that will be in the show notes and you can find her on Instagram at Venus and fester. And I'll put the link to the website and everything else in the show notes. So, if you enjoyed the conversation, please be sure to follow. And I'd love you to leave a review because that's really helpful it's how these conversations expand and grow. So until next time, thank you for being here and wishing you a wonderful day. I'm recording this on the full moon. And it's been an extraordinarily tense energies all this week. But I always find this, that I never sleep well, coming up to a full moon. Um, but it pops as soon as the moon, you know, becomes full that energy pops. And it's as though. The energy then dissipates and we can all kind of sleep better. Again. So thank you for being here. And, um, Talk soon. So there's two ways to work with me. You can book an Astro brand. Strategy workshop. Are you can book an Astro brand blueprint session to explore my one-to-one coaching. We'll definitely have to have, um, Venus and fester back on again, to talk about the specific dates to watch out for in 2025. And until then the music taking you out is edgy. You can find a Jeet on Spotify. So it's a J E T.